Ab Khurana: The Experimenter

May 15, 2026

Guest: Ab Khurana
Career: Sales Executive
Based: Nomadic
Instagram: @ab.photolab
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/abkhurana/

Episode Description
Ab Khurana treats his entire life as a series of experiments, including the experiment of having a normal life. Two years ago, the timing was right to settle, so he signed a lease in San Diego, built a routine, joined sports leagues, dated normally—all the standard stuff. Then, two years later, the timing was right to leave, so he left. Some people would call that a success. Some would call it a failure. Ab just calls it valuable experience.

He doesn't theorise about what he wants. He runs experiments and observes the results. His framework: try ten things, you'll love three, hate three, and feel neutral about four. But only once you've actually tried them, not just imagined them, will you know what to orient your life around. San Diego taught him he's definitely a beach and sun person. That making new friends as an adult matters to him. That two years of routine felt good but not complete.

Now he's pursuing the specific things his twelve-year-old self always wanted to do whilst the window is still open. Machu Picchu, check. Erupting volcano in Guatemala, check. Scuba diving certification despite being scared of water, check. Next up: the Galapagos Islands, a safari in Africa, a month on a farm with WWOOF making things with his hands instead of pushing pixels. And eventually, being a tourist in India, the country where he spent his first thirteen years but hasn't visited since.

This is a masterclass in building self-knowledge through empirical living. When you stop predicting how you'll feel and start collecting actual evidence, you stop wondering what you've missed and start knowing what matters. The tetherball metaphor applies: you can stray as far as you want, but you're still tethered to something solid—whether that's good parents, close friends, or the three things you've discovered you genuinely love. Trust your inner fire. It's unique to you, and that's the point.

Timestamps

00:00-00:41 Introduction
00:41-02:05 Guest introduction
02:05-03:33 Two and a half years nomadic in two stints
03:33-05:04 San Diego experiment, lease and routine
05:04-06:38 Why he left, timing and freedom before commitments
06:38-07:56 Long-term relationships and family considerations
07:56-09:18 Twelve-year-old dreams and pursuing new experiences
09:18-10:05 Maslow's hierarchy of needs discussion
10:05-12:34 Fulfilling relationship needs through community
12:34-13:29 Nomads more open and untethered from roles
13:29-14:20 Only getting one layer deep, something missing
14:20-15:23 Strengthening existing relationships
15:23-16:57 Electron metaphor, travellers vs settled people
16:57-18:21 Hopping on friends' trips, maintaining connections
18:21-19:42 US vs Europe vacation time, 15 days vs 35 days
19:42-21:48 Tetherball metaphor, being grounded whilst travelling
21:48-23:41 Good parents as foundation, unconditional love
23:41-24:58 Ten experiments framework, love 3, hate 3, neutral 4
24:58-25:54 Self-awareness through experimentation
25:54-28:11 Ibi's grounding, music and fire metaphor
28:11-29:59 Inner fire, comparing to others leads to analysis paralysis
29:59-30:13 Finding people who encourage your unique fire
30:13-32:37 AI discussion, cultural shift and adaptation
32:37-35:21 AI tinkerers, people who played the game before
35:21-38:42 Recent adventures, Machu Picchu, volcano, scuba diving
38:42-40:49 Future plans, Galapagos, safari, WWOOF, India as tourist
40:49-41:28 Closing

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Episode length: ~41 minutes
Published: 15th May 2026
Episode #13

The Experimenter Who Builds Self-Knowledge Through Experience

We're sitting in a French castle talking about Ab Khurana's two years in San Diego. The lease, the routine, the dating, the sports leagues. Normal life, basically.

"And this sounds like an experiment," I say. "What did it yield?"

He laughs. "It's funny to call it an experiment because to most people that's life. It's just, hey, get a lease and let's live here."

"You've been interviewing too many nomads," he adds.

Fair point. But that's exactly how Ab thinks. Not settling versus travelling. Not success versus failure. Just trying different things and seeing what works. The timing was right to get a lease in San Diego, so he did. Two years later, the timing was right to leave, so he left. He lives in the present, responding to what makes sense now.

The Timing Calculation

Two years ago, the timing was right to settle. His friend was moving to San Diego. The city appealed to him. He wanted to explore what stability felt like. So he got a lease, built a routine, made new friends.

Then circumstances shifted. His friend moved out of their shared flat. He wasn't in a long term relationship. His job stayed remote. And crucially, he's in his early-to-mid thirties, which means the window for certain experiences hasn't closed yet. The timing was right to leave.

It's not about one choice being better than the other. It's about responding to the moment and taking advantage of the situation as it presents itself.

"I kind of just take advantage of the situation while I'm still in my early 30s or mid 30s before it gets harder to do. If you are going to potentially have a family, or potentially be in a long term relationship, it makes it a little harder."

This isn't about running from commitment. It's about sequencing. Getting certain experiences out of his system now, whilst he has the freedom to do them, so that when commitments do arrive, he won't spend years wondering what he missed.

There's something methodical about this. He's pursuing specific things the twelve-year-old version of himself always wanted to do whilst the variables align to make them possible.

The Science of Self-Knowledge

The real insight isn't that Ab experiments. It's how he uses those experiments to build self-knowledge.

"Having done a few things or experienced a few things that were a little scary, a little new, or just things that the 12 year old me really wanted to do, I know for a fact that that is worth it and it's worth pursuing that."

He's not guessing what brings him contentment. He has empirical evidence.

His framework is simple: experiment with ten things. You'll love three of them, hate three of them, and feel neutral about four. Once you've actually tried them, not just imagined them, you know what to orient your life towards. You know what to avoid. And the rest doesn't matter much.

This is the opposite of how most people approach life decisions. Most people theorise. They imagine what they'd like, consult friends, read articles, try to predict how they'll feel. Ab just tries things and observes what happens.

The Tetherball Effect

The nomad paradox: you need to feel grounded whilst being completely unmoored.

Ab uses a tetherball metaphor. The ball spins wildly, flies in every direction, but it's attached to the pole with a rope. You can stray as far as you want, but you're still connected to something fixed. That connection is what lets you experiment without feeling lost.

For Ab, that rope is his parents. He grew up with unconditional love, never doubting whether they loved him, never worrying if their fights meant instability. That foundation, he acknowledges, is luck. Not everyone gets it. But it's what enables him to travel for years, try risky things, live out of a suitcase, because he knows he's tethered to something solid.

"That stability was there, that feeling. I think that goes a long way, if you get lucky with that."

Even without that specific foundation, the grounding can come through other means. Through discovering those three things you love and knowing, no matter where you are physically, that you're still the person oriented around them.

The grounding isn't the place. It's knowing who you are.

The Electron Effect

Here's where the conversation gets interesting.

We're talking about maintaining relationships whilst travelling, and I introduce a physics metaphor: electrons versus neutrons. Neutrons sit in the nucleus, stable and stationary. Electrons whiz around. The chance of an electron hitting a neutron is basically zero. But two electrons colliding? Much higher probability.

Travellers are electrons. Settled people are neutrons. If you're constantly moving, connecting with people back home who are stable becomes nearly impossible. The collision points don't align. They're on holiday for one week a year, visiting places you've already left. You're living your normal life in places they're treating as special.

But other travellers? You bump into them repeatedly. Same cities, same co-livings, same paths. The collision probability is high.

So Ab has adapted. He hops on his settled friends' trips when he can, using his flexibility to meet them where they are. He knows how important it is to keep contact with his good friends. And he's learned something crucial about nomad interactions:

"Oftentimes when I think travellers meet each other, on average, they tend to be more open and unguarded. Each individual is not in their kind of whatever role they play back home with their friends and families. They're a little untethered."

You only get one layer deep with most nomad friendships. You're both leaving soon. But because nomads are more open, that one layer goes deeper than it would back home. Higher frequency of interaction. No roles to play. Less guarded. So even though it's technically shallow, it feels substantial.

The American who's always been "the responsible one" back home can be someone else entirely in Mexico. The German who's stuck in family dynamics back in Hamburg can redefine herself in Thailand. Untethered from context, people show different versions of themselves. Often truer versions.

The Inner Fire Problem

Ab learned something about comparison that most people don't figure out until much later.

"It's quite a recipe for analysis paralysis and discontent to be comparing your own desires to those of others or your own kind of goals or dreams or intentions with those of others."

He did plenty of comparing when he was younger. It's natural. But after enough experiments, he realised something: you can learn from others, be inspired by them, but ultimately you have to trust that your inner fire, your guiding gut feeling, is unique to you. It's okay to trust it rather than seeking validation externally.

The trap isn't having goals different from others. The trap is thinking your goals need to match someone else's to be valid.

Some people's inner fire is building a company. Others want to master an instrument. Ab wants to see an active volcano and learn to scuba dive and be a tourist in India. None of those are more or less legitimate than the others.

Take AI, for instance. Some people wake up excited to experiment with new tools, build workflows, tinker with technology. Ab sees it as a cultural shift, adapts where it makes sense for his work, but doesn't feel compelled to be at the forefront. "The people who are excited about experimenting with technology, it's not just that AI came along and turned someone who is just uninteresting to somebody who's a tinkerer all of a sudden. You're already kind of should be of that mind." They were playing the game before, just a different game.

The key is finding people who encourage your specific fire, not people who try to redirect it toward theirs.

"Finding people that encourage that, friends or relationships, matter. Rare."

Those people are rare. But nomad communities, he's found, tend to contain more of them. Because everyone there has made the unusual choice to live differently, they're less likely to insist you should want what they want.

The Things the Twelve-Year-Old Wanted

There's a certain satisfaction in telling your childhood self that you actually did it.

Ab stood at Machu Picchu after hiking the Inca Trail. He watched Volcán de Acatenango erupt from close enough to feel it. He went underwater despite being scared of water his whole life, got certified, and now it's opened an entire world of exploration he never had access to before.

And India. Being a tourist in the country where he spent his first thirteen years, seeing the parts he never saw, experiencing it fresh.

The Galapagos Islands are next. A safari somewhere in Africa. A month living on a farm through the WWOOF programme, doing physical labour instead of corporate work, practising French or Spanish, making things with his hands instead of pushing pixels on screens.

These aren't random bucket list items. They're the specific dreams that survived from childhood into adulthood. The ones that, when tested through experiment, turned out to actually matter to him.

Not everyone's twelve-year-old dreams are worth pursuing. Some of them are silly. Some don't survive contact with adult priorities. But the ones that keep coming back, that still feel important decades later? Those are worth taking seriously.

Ab's taking them seriously. One experiment at a time.

The Experiment Continues

Eventually, Ab will probably get another lease somewhere. Do another round of the "normal life" experiment. Maybe it'll stick that time. Maybe the circumstances will be different.

But right now, there are still experiences worth having, fears worth facing, places worth seeing. The twelve-year-old version of himself had a list. The adult version is methodically working through it, learning what actually brings contentment versus what just sounds good in theory.

He's not running from stability. He's just not done experimenting yet.

And when you think of life as a series of experiments rather than a series of commitments, everything changes. San Diego wasn't a failure. Leaving wasn't giving up. It was choosing to keep exploring whilst the opportunity exists.

Most people spend their lives wondering what would have happened if they'd taken the risk, tried the thing, chased the dream. Ab's collecting actual answers.

That's not recklessness. That's rigour.

Ab Khurana works remotely in tech whilst nomading across the world, pursuing the specific experiences his twelve-year-old self always wanted. You can hear his full story about treating life as an experiment, finding what grounds you, and trusting your inner fire in: [EPISODE URL]

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Episode Transcript

00:00:00:02 - 00:00:41:08
Ibi
Hello and welcome to Ibi's Digital Nomad Stories, featuring real conversations with professionals who have cracked the code to sustainable, nomadic lifestyles. These people aren't beach and Wi-Fi chasers. They're building competitive advantages that traditional employment could never match. Global mobility, income diversification, and the freedom to capitalize on opportunities anywhere. I'm your favorite digital nomad consultant, and today I'm joined on the show by AB Khurana someone who treats his entire life as a series of experiments, including the experiment of having a normal life.

00:00:41:10 - 00:01:01:20
Ibi
Two years ago, the timing was right for AB to settle, so he signed a lease in San Diego, built a routine, joined sports leagues, all the normal stuff. Then, two years later, he decided that the time was right to leave, so he simply left. Some people would call it a success. Some people would call it a failure. Who knows?

00:01:01:21 - 00:01:26:22
Ibi
AB just calls them both data. See, he doesn't theorize about what he wants. He runs experiments and observes the results. His framework tried ten things you'll love three. You'll hate. Three. You'll feel neutral about four. But only once you've actually tried them, not just imagined them. You'll know what you want to orient your life around. ABS already collected a lot of data.

00:01:26:28 - 00:02:00:02
Ibi
Machu Picchu and erupting volcano in Guatemala. Scuba diving certifications. Despite being afraid of water, somehow being a tourist in the country where he spent his first 13 years, and he's got a lot more data to collect in the Galapagos and Safari in Africa. Spending a month on a farm with Wolf. This is a masterclass in empirical living. When you stop predicting how you feel and start collecting evidence, you'll simply stop wondering what you've missed and you'll simply start knowing what matters.

00:02:00:04 - 00:02:05:08
Ibi
Here's AB. So how long have you been a nomad?

00:02:05:10 - 00:02:23:26
Ab
In total, about two and a half years or so, but in two kind of two stints. So I did about a year and then the last year and a half. So yeah, I took a little break of why why I had. So the first year that I did it, I'd been wanting to do it for a long time.

00:02:23:28 - 00:02:41:24
Ab
And like a confluence of factors, worked out well to allow me to do it, did it for a year. I think at the end of that year, I was starting to feel that, okay, maybe I want to want some of those advantages that come with living in one city and a little bit of a stable thing.

00:02:41:25 - 00:02:43:13
Ibi
Like having so much to put your back.

00:02:43:18 - 00:02:50:10
Ab
Yeah. So I'm going to put your bag having the same, you know, coffee mug or stein that you can use every time you can.

00:02:50:12 - 00:02:51:18
Ibi
Can we show niche of the stein.

00:02:51:25 - 00:02:55:13
Ab
The stein we got to see this time. It's empty now. But isn't.

00:02:55:13 - 00:02:56:06
Ibi
It beautiful?

00:02:56:06 - 00:02:58:18
Ab
I assure you, there was coffee in this and not.

00:02:58:19 - 00:02:59:26
Ibi
I didn't kind of see it, but.

00:02:59:28 - 00:03:00:19
Ab
Not Guinness.

00:03:00:20 - 00:03:04:19

Yeah, but.

00:03:04:21 - 00:03:29:07
Ab
Yeah. And also one of my friends from who I've been friends with for a long time, 15 years or so. We both were thinking about moving to San Diego around the same time, so felt like a good time to live in a city, explore new city, you know, date normally, have a bit of a routine, have your expanding community of friends and see how that how that went for a couple of years.

00:03:29:09 - 00:03:32:27
Ibi
And this sounds like an experiment. What did it yield?

00:03:33:04 - 00:03:41:28
Ab
Yeah, it's funny to call it an experiment because to most people that's that's life. That's just normal. It's just, hey, get a yeah, get a lease and let's live here.

00:03:42:01 - 00:03:42:08
Ibi
Yeah.

00:03:42:08 - 00:04:00:08
Ab
You're right. It's kind of funny. You've been interviewing too many nomads. I know getting a lease and living in a city sounds like an experiment. Like what? It's just that it's like you sound like a hunter gatherer or something. Like who? Who who actually sets pictures of tenants. Is there for two years. But, okay, the.

00:04:00:08 - 00:04:01:18
Ibi
Normal thing that people do.

00:04:01:20 - 00:04:03:04
Ab
How does it feel?

00:04:03:07 - 00:04:05:20
Ibi
Just remind me.

00:04:05:22 - 00:04:29:21
Ab
No, it was great. I mean, San Diego is a beautiful city. I really I learned that, okay, I very much am a beach sun type of person, which is what most people kind of are when they are exposed to it. Yeah, and it was a good mix of some people moved there or lived there that I have known for a while.

00:04:29:27 - 00:05:01:27
Ab
But also when you move to a city as an adult, you have to make an effort if you want to make new friends or do interesting things. So in that year of travel, I was doing things that were pretty interesting to me, and I didn't want to give that approach in that that lifestyle up necessarily or completely. So my version of that doing in San Diego was still, you know, being pretty active with meeting people, you know, signing up for sports leagues or doing random activities that are new to me.

00:05:02:00 - 00:05:04:03
Ab
And, yeah, just staying open to meeting people.

00:05:04:04 - 00:05:09:22
Ibi
And. How but how did it go, like, was. It did you feel content?

00:05:10:00 - 00:05:11:15
Ab
Yeah, it was great.

00:05:11:16 - 00:05:13:18

Then why did you leave?

00:05:13:20 - 00:05:28:21
Ab
Well, I wanted to be a nomadic guy. There were some places that I wanted to travel and see, and certain experiences that I've gotten to do in the last year and a half that have been, you know, pretty, pretty exciting and fulfilling.

00:05:28:24 - 00:05:35:28
Ibi
So was it. Like you kind of you did this like the normal, the normal thing?

00:05:36:00 - 00:05:36:14

Yeah.

00:05:36:15 - 00:05:38:07
Ibi
The not weird thing. They're not experiment.

00:05:38:08 - 00:05:41:01
Ab
They're not the experiment. The control group. Really?

00:05:41:06 - 00:05:48:09
Ibi
Yeah yeah yeah, yeah. And then you're like, yeah, it's great. But yes, I want to do something else.

00:05:48:12 - 00:06:12:20
Ab
Yes. Why do something else. I wasn't in again. The mix of factors was I'd been there for two years and I wasn't in a long term relationship. So I had some freedom to pick my destinations. My I had a roommate there, so we both moved out. He got his own place, and I figured that I'm just going to put my things in a storage unit.

00:06:12:22 - 00:06:38:06
Ab
My job is still remote, and I'm going to kind of just take advantage of the situation while I'm still, you know, in my early 30s or mid 30s before it's I feel like it gets harder to do. Depends on your goals for life. But if you are going to potentially have a family or potentially be in a long term relationship, it makes it a little harder.

00:06:38:08 - 00:07:00:21
Ibi
That's the third time you've said long term relationship or family. You said long term relationship about what was holding, what could have held you back from leaving. Yeah. And in the longer term, you could have a long term relationship or start a family. Sure. How does that link in to your nomadic journey? Is that like your your main consideration?

00:07:00:24 - 00:07:24:10
Ab
It's one of the it's not the main. The main consideration is new experiences that I think in the long term have proven to bring me this sense of just contentment. Like, I know that now, having done a few things or experienced a few things that were a little scary, a little new, or just things that the 12 year old me really wanted to do.

00:07:24:10 - 00:07:46:03
Ab
And having done some of those things, like, I know for a fact that that is worth it, it's worth pursuing that. And that can mean something wildly different for different people. Whatever your version of, you know, hey, what are the little fears that are holding me back? Or what are the little 1210 year old needs dreams were in making those happen?

00:07:46:03 - 00:07:56:04
Ab
Or trying to make them happen is worth it. And for me, a version of that has been what is possible through travel.

00:07:56:07 - 00:08:00:07
Ibi
Are you familiar with Maslow's Hierarchy of needs?

00:08:00:08 - 00:08:00:21
Ab
Yeah.

00:08:00:23 - 00:08:11:15
Ibi
Yeah, generally. Generally, it actually brings that to mind. I mean, I ever talked about Maslow on the podcast. No no, no.

00:08:11:18 - 00:08:12:18
Ab
The first Maslow.

00:08:12:24 - 00:08:14:13
Ibi
The first Maslow. Basler.

00:08:14:15 - 00:08:15:04
Ab
People love talking.

00:08:15:04 - 00:08:17:18
Ibi
About people. Talk about it all the time. Fun little triangle. Yeah.

00:08:17:19 - 00:08:19:10
Ab
People confuse it with the food pyramid sometimes.

00:08:19:13 - 00:08:23:26
Ibi
You know why? It's in my mind? Because my sister was here. Yeah. You met her? Yeah.

00:08:23:27 - 00:08:26:10
Ab
And solid percussionist.

00:08:26:12 - 00:08:40:00
Ibi
Solid percussionist. She is. She was my first Judy. I'm proud of her. Anyway, she was asking me some questions about, like, life trajectory, what you want to do in life, where you want to go.

00:08:40:00 - 00:08:40:28
Ab
Because she's a teenager, right?

00:08:41:00 - 00:08:48:20
Ibi
Because she's a teenager. And she was like, you know, how do I even think about life? And I was like, go and look at Maslow's hierarchy of needs, okay.

00:08:48:22 - 00:08:49:04
Ab
What led.

00:08:49:04 - 00:08:50:01
Ibi
You to say that?

00:08:50:02 - 00:08:52:00
Ab
Or what were you thinking?

00:08:52:02 - 00:09:17:08
Ibi
Because she was like, where do I start? She was like, do I focus on making money? Do I focus on finding a relationship? Do I focus on learning an instrument or a language or something? Yeah, like you can kind of do any of them when you covered by your parents and you're living at home? Yeah. There's no there's nothing driving you to do one.

00:09:17:10 - 00:09:17:28
Ab
Yeah.

00:09:18:04 - 00:09:38:04
Ibi
For example, if you're living by yourself and you don't have money, you're naturally going to be driving to get money. It's like your first stage, right? Yeah. But for her, it was different. So we were talking about. Yeah. If you could spend time doing piano or guitar right now, if you wanted to, you could spend five years. Doesn't matter because you're free.

00:09:38:07 - 00:09:54:13
Ibi
So do you think in this hierarchy of needs, the little fears that you're facing and the little challenges you're overcoming and the little things you're doing a part of yourself?

00:09:54:15 - 00:10:05:10
Ibi
Do you think there's an element of the relationship thing coming in there that's being fed through other ways? Perhaps because I have my own thoughts on that, but we can talk about that after.

00:10:05:12 - 00:10:07:09
Ab
Fed through other ways. What do you mean?

00:10:07:10 - 00:10:11:22
Ibi
Okay. We can talk about it.

00:10:11:25 - 00:10:31:08
Ibi
So I mean, that layer is about community. Family and friends. Yeah. And so the way I was thinking about it originally when I was younger was that it had to be fed through, you know, relationship like that family level. But your, your significant other.

00:10:31:09 - 00:10:31:20
Ab
Yeah.

00:10:31:21 - 00:11:09:20
Ibi
Right. And then I started traveling and I started realizing, you you can sometimes struggle when you don't have that significant other because there's nothing to fulfill that layer. I wasn't super like calling my family all the time. I wasn't traveling with any friends. I was making new friends. But it was all superficial because I was leaving and my community or the community that I was talking to, I would have to reestablish myself every time.

00:11:09:22 - 00:11:23:12
Ibi
Like before I got to a place, nobody would know a single thing about me. So as soon as I walked up there, I would have to do all of the work of rebuilding from from step one, which was effort.

00:11:23:16 - 00:11:24:15
Ab
It is.

00:11:24:18 - 00:11:49:14
Ibi
But then I kind of solved it through, firstly, staying in a community, even if that community is international. So, for example, starting to embed myself in the international community of digital nomads. And so I started meeting people again and again. So when I would go places, it was like I wasn't just by myself. There would be someone who I knew.

00:11:49:16 - 00:12:04:18
Ibi
Yeah, I started traveling more slowly because the slower you travel, the longer you can build relationships. Yeah. And I started trying to call people and text people more often. I usually had a two week minimum period where it would take me to reply to someone.

00:12:04:19 - 00:12:05:19
Ab
Really? Okay.

00:12:05:21 - 00:12:11:07
Ibi
Now I try and reply much faster. I'm not going to commit to anything on call, but.

00:12:11:09 - 00:12:34:08
Ab
It's not too. If you're not getting. Yeah, if you're not getting a reply from Evie in two weeks, take that as a sign you will never get a reply. Yeah, you may never get a reply. No, that's interesting because there's a few things you mentioned. You're mentioning. One piece is realizing that when you're traveling or constantly on the move, you can only get a layer deep in most relationships.

00:12:34:10 - 00:13:00:19
Ab
And granted, oftentimes when I think travelers meet each other, on average, they tend to be more open and unguarded. At least that's what I've noticed. I can see that there's a more of a. I think each individual is not in their kind of. Whatever role they play back home with their friends and families or their city, their kind of whatever they want to be.

00:13:00:22 - 00:13:04:08
Ibi
Independent or untethered.

00:13:04:09 - 00:13:29:21
Ab
A little untethered. Yeah. So I think on average people are more open. So you might know somebody for a month, but it could feel like you've known them for at least, let's say a few months or longer. You're also there's also a higher frequency of interaction in that, let's say a month. But I agree with you though. You only get a layer deep and then you're going somewhere else and you're maybe doing it all over again.

00:13:29:24 - 00:13:57:13
Ab
But then you also mentioned you're you're just prioritizing existing relationships more or deepening existing relationships. So that's that was going to be related to my response. But like what what what led you to do that? Is it the novelty of travel wearing off and just finding like a longer term routine or something else?

00:13:57:15 - 00:14:20:10
Ibi
I felt like something was missing. Okay. That's that's the real like, underlying cause where I felt like there was some level of connection with people that I was missing, and it kind of forced me to think, okay, what options do I have?

00:14:20:13 - 00:14:20:27
Ab
Okay.

00:14:20:28 - 00:14:29:18
Ibi
Because until you feel like something, when you have a significant other, for example, you're naturally think, oh, how can I strengthen my partnership with them?

00:14:29:19 - 00:14:30:12
Ab
Sure.

00:14:30:14 - 00:14:56:28
Ibi
But when you don't, you naturally start thinking, okay, who can I strengthen my partnership with? Right. And then you start to look around and say, okay, who is in my life? And you think, okay, I've got my my siblings, I've got my parents, I've got some friends who are, you know, they're doing some experiment, right? They've got visas and.

00:14:57:01 - 00:14:57:20
Ab
Yeah. Oh, wait.

00:14:57:21 - 00:14:58:02
Ibi
Sorry.

00:14:58:03 - 00:15:03:03
Ab
Going out on a limb again. Really taking a risk there.

00:15:03:06 - 00:15:07:20
Ibi
And then you've got the people who are traveling.

00:15:07:21 - 00:15:08:14
Ab
Sure.

00:15:08:16 - 00:15:23:06
Ibi
And the reality is, for me, it's like an atom, like the bumps into another atom. The chance of me or electron or whatever they are that bump into each other. Yeah, but the chance of me bumping into.

00:15:23:13 - 00:15:24:28
Ab
Electrons are whizzing around. Yeah.

00:15:25:00 - 00:15:25:09
Ibi
It's then.

00:15:25:09 - 00:15:26:10
Ab
What's not in the nucleus.

00:15:26:10 - 00:15:33:03
Ibi
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's the electrons in the nucleus. Are the atoms.

00:15:33:06 - 00:15:45:13
Ab
Wow. Getting into physics, I think. Well, the nucleus. This is from what I remember from high school. The nucleus has the protons and neutrons. And then there's the electrons are. Yeah, whizzing around.

00:15:45:14 - 00:15:55:10
Ibi
And that's all part of the atom. I believe so. So the atom does not whiz the electrons whiz. But don't don't quote us.

00:15:55:13 - 00:15:58:00
Ab
So you had some you had some whizzing energy. Okay.

00:15:58:04 - 00:16:24:28
Ibi
Wait, wait. We can we can actually continue exactly this example. So think of an atom, right. Yeah. So the nucleus has the neutrons, right. And the neutrons are like the ones staying in their town in their city. And the electrons are the ones whizzing around. So the chance of an electron hitting a neutron is like zero. Because how does the electron hit the neutron?

00:16:25:00 - 00:16:56:28
Ibi
Yeah. You get me. Yeah. But the chance of two travelers who are continuously traveling, hitting each other in a place where they can travel regularly is much easier. Yeah, it's also more feasible. And it's also more pleasant because when I have people who come and stay with me or I see people in my travels, it's a bit different for them, okay, because they are on holiday and I'm not.

00:16:57:00 - 00:17:08:06
Ibi
Yeah, and they are. That's their one week of vacation. Yeah. And for me, it's like my life, right? So it's a little bit it's a harder crossover.

00:17:08:08 - 00:17:30:03
Ab
It is a harder crossover. I have also it's definitely easier and fun when you're able to see the same travelers again in a different place. For example, whether it's by chance or volunteer like planning.

00:17:30:06 - 00:18:01:00
Ab
And at the same time, when in the same vein of strengthening or maintaining the strength of your existing relationships or close friendships. I definitely try to like hop on certain trips or plans that my friends make because for them, let's say they may have an an office job or they're crazy experimenters with the lease. And, you know, they're may maybe taking two big vacations a year.

00:18:01:01 - 00:18:16:08
Ab
Plus you add on maybe one vacation in a year because you add on things like weddings and all these things that take away holiday days. So anyway, if there's that one thing that they're doing and I can do it potentially because I get to travel with them.

00:18:16:10 - 00:18:17:02
Ibi
You can hop home.

00:18:17:02 - 00:18:21:14
Ab
I'm more flexible. So I try to hop on and that's been great to.

00:18:21:15 - 00:18:30:15
Ibi
This must have play even more in the US. I'm just thinking about this because of something you said about taking out weddings and stuff, because a European like a German gets like 35 days of holiday.

00:18:30:16 - 00:18:31:03
Ab
Yeah, it's not.

00:18:31:03 - 00:18:31:13
Ibi
The case.

00:18:31:14 - 00:18:59:03
Ab
It's the case. No, we get either 15 days of paid time off or unlimited, which is really just 15 ish days. It's like whatever the culture is going to do is what unlimited will follow, basically. So yeah, it's fewer days. So you got to plan around it a little bit more. Whereas, you know, I work with a European customer sometimes and you get these like out of office emails like, yep, it's summer.

00:18:59:06 - 00:19:12:25
Ab
My kids are out from school. We're on this camping trip in the mountains of Austria for two weeks. Like, don't even try get Ahold of me. So that's it's a different culture a little bit.

00:19:12:27 - 00:19:32:14
Ab
You mentioned you mentioned this thing untethered earlier. Yeah. And you're, you know, you're talking about some of the reasons that led you to want to strengthen existing relationships. I think if you're traveling is there is tetherball of game in the UK.

00:19:32:15 - 00:19:35:14
Ibi
I know what it is, but it's not a game. Well.

00:19:35:20 - 00:19:42:04
Ab
I mean, if you take it seriously, maybe it's not a game to you, but is it a support that exists?

00:19:42:07 - 00:19:47:07
Ibi
It's a sport that exists in the world. In the UK, we simply observe it from afar.

00:19:47:09 - 00:19:50:14
Ab
Interesting. Okay. It's just too much movement on that ball.

00:19:50:15 - 00:19:52:28
Ibi
It's the one where you have, like the thing in the middle and you hit.

00:19:53:00 - 00:20:06:27
Ab
Hit it. Yeah, yeah. There's like a pole. Yeah, there's a ball with a rope. You know, the ball is attached to the pole with a rope and you're spinning it around. And the ideas for two competing players to spin in opposing directions, something like that.

00:20:06:28 - 00:20:09:18
Ibi
And we play badminton or tennis. It's been more sophisticated.

00:20:09:18 - 00:20:10:01
Ab
You guys are?

00:20:10:02 - 00:20:10:09
Ibi
Yeah.

00:20:10:10 - 00:20:48:16
Ab
The British are more like, hey, we're going to sit here, have our tea break during a cricket match because we just value stability, whereas the tetherball is very just chaotic compared to that. But the being tethered or feeling grounded I think is really important. And you have to figure out what your version of that is. I think often, like you mentioned your sister earlier, like often family serves as that that my baseline Maslow needs of what feels like home or my community is met.

00:20:48:20 - 00:21:14:18
Ab
Therefore I can do these kind of different experimental things because I know that even if I stray too far, like a tetherball that goes a little bit too far, it's not going to go away from where it is. The thing that's attached to and those attachments of feeling like, you know, whatever your home is or whatever your identity is, doesn't have to be a lease.

00:21:14:20 - 00:21:45:20
Ab
There's plenty of people out there with leases and relationships who feel like something's missing. So it's not necessarily that, but feeling grounded. You have to find what that is for you. Oftentimes, if you have a good, you know, you had good parents and you got lucky with that, or you have close friends and you got lucky with that, that's often a start of feeling like, okay, no matter what happens or where I go, there's certain people who I feel like really do love me and I love them, and I can kind of count on that.

00:21:45:27 - 00:21:48:02
Ab
I think that allows you to stray a little further, rather.

00:21:48:02 - 00:21:48:15
Ibi
Than that's.

00:21:48:15 - 00:22:09:03
Ab
Deep, rather than, you know, stray too far without feeling like, am I just doing this for the sake of it? Do I just want the novelty? Am I just kind of whizzing around looking for purpose, or do I kind of know generally who I am and I like it? Therefore, I can do these things and be a little more.

00:22:09:06 - 00:22:22:21
Ab
Be a little more like, I guess, do them more consciously rather than just flying away with the wind a little bit. That's that's kind of what brought to mind when you were talking about it.

00:22:22:24 - 00:22:27:18
Ibi
How do you how do you ground yourself?

00:22:27:20 - 00:22:59:03
Ab
It is I got lucky with good parents who, you know, growing up this was just my default world. So I didn't compare it to what maybe other upbringings were like. But when I was growing up as a child, I felt I never doubted whether my mom or my parents loved me or not. I just knew that that was like a baseline truth, which to me was just growing up with my family.

00:22:59:03 - 00:23:20:01
Ab
But when I get got older and kind of met a lot of different people, including friends back home or travelers, and you hear about people's different stories, that's not always the case. There's a you have to get lucky to have good parents who make you feel like they love you. No matter what's happening in the world or in their relationship.

00:23:20:02 - 00:23:41:12
Ab
Like, you know, I I'm sure they had their fair share of fights and arguments and whatnot. And very occasionally I would see it, but it was never something that would make me feel like, are my parents okay? Are they going to stay together? So that stability was was there that feeling? I think that goes a long way if you get lucky with that.

00:23:41:12 - 00:24:12:15
Ab
I think outside of that, you can nurture that in yourself too. But it's not. I think it's a process that has to happen through experience, where if I was in your sister's shoes, for example, or a teenager's shoes, I would have to experiment with it. I would I would hope that I experiment with a bunch of things, whether it's what I want to study, hobbies, I want to get into, the type of life I want to live.

00:24:12:16 - 00:24:35:22
Ab
And you do enough experiments and through, you know, empirical evidence, you find out that I've done these ten things. It's not just ideas in my head, and I know that I love three of those ten things, and I know that I hate three of those ten things, and the rest I don't neutral. So then you can really orient yourself towards those three things you love.

00:24:35:24 - 00:24:58:16
Ab
Avoid the three things you hate, and the rest is kind of whatever. And I think that kind of makes you feel like, you know, no matter where I am in the world, I'm still that person who is oriented around these three things I love. That's kind of how I see it, I guess. But what do you I don't know, what do you think about that idea?

00:24:58:19 - 00:24:59:00
Ab
I guess.

00:24:59:00 - 00:24:59:07
Ibi
It's.

00:24:59:08 - 00:25:06:07
Ab
A extrapolation of self-awareness, right?

00:25:06:09 - 00:25:17:07
Ibi
I tell you what's interesting. I'll answer the question. But first, what's interesting is.

00:25:17:09 - 00:25:47:04
Ibi
Where we started from on this topic chain, and we started on the on the relationship. We moved to family and then we, we moved to this interesting concept of what grounds a person. And it's coming back to those three things or to, you know, those things that is important to that person. Yeah, I just find that interesting in terms of the answer to the question, though.

00:25:47:04 - 00:25:54:28
Ibi
Yeah, actually, I literally do have those things. For me. It's music and fire.

00:25:55:01 - 00:25:57:22
Ab
Music and fire. Yeah, sometimes together.

00:25:57:24 - 00:25:58:21
Ibi
Sometimes together.

00:25:58:22 - 00:26:00:15
Ab
I've seen. Yeah.

00:26:00:18 - 00:26:35:01
Ibi
Honestly, I've always been grounded by music. Okay. It's been a very long and you could say almost a spiritual journey through music where, like, I make music just to bring the sound into existence. Like an instrument is just a thing, right? Like a table. Yeah, but once you once you play something, you've brought something into existence.

00:26:35:03 - 00:26:35:09
Ab
That.

00:26:35:09 - 00:27:03:26
Ibi
Wasn't there, wasn't there before. And for me, that is the most amazing thing. And it's kind of metaphorical of how I want to live my life, which is there's something that wasn't there before and now it's in existence. Like a thought that wasn't there before, or a mystery which was not yet solved. And I did something to create something.

00:27:03:28 - 00:27:21:02
Ab
Yeah. And it's also highly unpredictable in a way. Sure. The sounds that are going to come out of an instrument when you tap it a certain way are somewhat predictable, but that ensemble of things that might happen on an evening of you with a couple of instruments by the fire, it's hard to predict.

00:27:21:03 - 00:27:33:07
Ibi
You can never predict it. Yeah. In fact, I don't like to predict it. Like having a set thing. Scripted piece of music.

00:27:33:09 - 00:27:34:03
Ab
Yeah.

00:27:34:06 - 00:28:02:02
Ibi
And fire. Because fire has always been a part of my way of opening a door for something to happen. So just example. When you have a fire, you could enjoy the warmth. You can cook, you can invite your friends, you can sit by yourself, you can play some music. It's kind of like the act of starting the fire is all you need to do in order for something to happen.

00:28:02:03 - 00:28:06:13
Ibi
Sure. And if nothing happens, you still had a fire. You still had a fire.

00:28:06:14 - 00:28:10:01
Ab
And each fire is like a snowflake where it's unique.

00:28:10:07 - 00:28:10:28
Ibi
Exactly.

00:28:11:00 - 00:28:11:13
Ab
Yeah.

00:28:11:14 - 00:28:28:19
Ibi
And you just have to start the little spark somewhere. Yeah. And then it grows, and you never know. Like, you might have an evening where you're playing music by the fire. You might have an evening where, I don't know, something weird happens.

00:28:28:21 - 00:28:34:16
Ab
There's a metaphor in here somewhere about how everyone's fire is also highly unique.

00:28:34:19 - 00:28:38:01
Ibi
And in a fire.

00:28:38:03 - 00:28:45:04
Ab
They're in a fire. Well, exactly. I thought you said they are in a fire. I hope not, but their inner fire. Exactly.

00:28:45:07 - 00:28:50:28
Ibi
Yeah. I don't want them to be in a fire. Yeah. Are you comfortable? Yeah.

00:28:51:01 - 00:28:55:07
Ab
But. Yeah. Inner fire is is.

00:28:55:09 - 00:28:58:24
Ab
Is.

00:28:58:26 - 00:29:44:00
Ab
It's it's it's a very it's quite a recipe for analysis paralysis and discontent to be comparing your own desires to those of others. For your own kind of goals or dreams or intentions with those of others. I feel like I did plenty of that when I was young, and I'm glad I did though, because after doing enough of that, you realize there are a few things I can learn or be inspired by, but ultimately you make yourself the person you want to be, and hopefully you make yourself the person who you like and are inspired by in a way.

00:29:44:02 - 00:29:59:12
Ab
And just trust that your whatever, your inner fire or that kind of guiding gut feeling is it's unique to you. So it's okay to trust it rather than seeking validation externally or from others.

00:29:59:14 - 00:30:00:03
Ibi
To spark.

00:30:00:03 - 00:30:13:13
Ab
It and to spark it. Yeah. And finding people that encourage that friends or relationship doesn't matter. Yeah. Yeah. Rare.

00:30:13:15 - 00:30:18:12
Ibi
Okay. Let's change talk a little bit.

00:30:18:14 - 00:30:20:00
Ibi
You have a corporate job?

00:30:20:02 - 00:30:21:02
Ab
I do.

00:30:21:05 - 00:30:27:25
Ibi
You're one of them. One of them KGW scholars? Yeah. My god. Yeah.

00:30:27:27 - 00:30:31:06
Ab
I don't even look this corporate at the office, actually.

00:30:31:07 - 00:30:33:26
Ibi
So you've made a special effort.

00:30:33:28 - 00:30:35:09
Ab
But, yeah, I do have a corporate.

00:30:35:10 - 00:30:36:25
Ibi
Just to remind the. No means that you're.

00:30:36:25 - 00:30:42:08
Ab
Supposed to. Yeah. Many people think I don't work, but I am employed.

00:30:42:10 - 00:30:46:03
Ibi
So you're doing some kind of experiment? Oh, no.

00:30:46:06 - 00:30:47:08
Ab
No, no.

00:30:47:10 - 00:30:55:12
Ibi
Okay. My question is, what do you think of AI?

00:30:55:14 - 00:30:57:03
Ab
What about it?

00:30:57:06 - 00:31:02:16
Ibi
How is it affecting the way you work? Especially from a nomadic lens?

00:31:02:19 - 00:31:05:26
Ab
Okay.

00:31:05:28 - 00:31:08:09
Ibi
You might say nothing. I just want to know.

00:31:08:12 - 00:31:15:00
Ab
Yeah. What I think of it is.

00:31:15:02 - 00:31:54:26
Ab
How I would think of any big cultural or technological wave that, in retrospect, is written about in history books of, you know, industrial revolution happened or this happened, or that major invention that really leads to other subsequent changes in how we live and organize ourselves in a society. So it seems to be one of those things, especially with how quickly, you know, every couple of months you hear not even every couple of months, every few weeks, every sprint that has released, you hear X, Y, and Z.

00:31:54:27 - 00:31:59:03
Ab
New capability that wasn't there before.

00:31:59:06 - 00:32:09:18
Ab
I'm a bit of a I'm a bit of a type of person who is good at adapting rather than.

00:32:09:20 - 00:32:31:02
Ab
Taken reins of the wave and molding it to how I want it to be. So with AI, I kind of accept the power of the technology that's leading to this massive shift in right now how software jobs are done. But, you know, pretty soon, like software touches a lot of things in physical things in the real world, too.

00:32:31:03 - 00:32:37:26
Ab
So that'll all be like a downstream effect.

00:32:37:28 - 00:32:45:04
Ab
So it's interesting. It's very seems to be.

00:32:45:07 - 00:33:19:19
Ab
The true impact long term. Seems to be a little to be determined at the moment. But I guess what is concerning is that it's a very small group of people making major decisions for this outsized impact. This technology has. It's it's your OpenAI, anthropic, Google, Microsoft and Facebook and maybe a couple few other company leadership, US governments involved in some ways now.

00:33:19:21 - 00:33:51:13
Ab
And yeah, so it's a few people making decisions about what will impact anyone with, you know, a cell phone or some version of computer technology. So it's hard to, you know, I have to be optimistic that things, those decisions are made with a good conscience. But at the same time, that's the challenge of it, I think, in terms of how it impacts my nomad life or my nomad lens.

00:33:51:14 - 00:34:15:00
Ab
Not too much, actually. I mean, I use it for my job, but I'm currently at a larger company, so things change a little slowly at a larger company than they would at, for example, what I used to do at a 30 person company. You can try anything every day, right? You're encouraged to do that. So yeah, I use it, but I wouldn't say I'm at the forefront of using it.

00:34:15:07 - 00:34:38:15
Ab
But that has more to do with, you know, I'm not a tech founder. I don't have an interest to be in that. I'm not a software developer. So that's not what gets me, like super excited. Like I'm not excited to wake up and say, what are the ten new cloud workflows that I can create that are just generally fun to build?

00:34:38:18 - 00:34:44:04
Ab
The people who are like that, they're having a good time and you can hear about it on LinkedIn every day.

00:34:44:07 - 00:34:53:18
Ibi
I don't post often on LinkedIn, but I wake up. You're doing some boarding? Yeah. Thinking that. Yeah. In fact, I don't just wake up in the morning. I wake up at night thinking about it.

00:34:53:19 - 00:35:06:28
Ab
Yeah, but that's a good signal. It's just like that creator. And you wants to experiment, mess around. And that's actually a great spot to be in right now to to be that of that mind.

00:35:07:01 - 00:35:13:16
Ibi
I feel like there's a big I feel quite losi actually. Like my eye is twitching like.

00:35:13:18 - 00:35:14:13
Ab
Crazy right now.

00:35:14:14 - 00:35:15:08
Ibi
Right now.

00:35:15:09 - 00:35:16:04
Ab
Because as I mentioned.

00:35:16:04 - 00:35:17:04
Ibi
Claude. Coffee.

00:35:17:07 - 00:35:24:13
Ab
Okay. And you're like, dude, you mentioned AI, and now I'm losing my bearings so much as possible.

00:35:24:13 - 00:35:30:02
Ibi
So hard right now.

00:35:30:04 - 00:35:30:25
Ibi
I'm the king.

00:35:30:25 - 00:35:31:25
Ab
Of the world.

00:35:31:27 - 00:35:42:02
Ibi
Sometimes it feels like that. Yeah. Interesting. Now it's fair. It's interesting because it's.

00:35:42:04 - 00:36:05:04
Ibi
One thing that is very valuable to me about the nomad world is perspective and getting different perspective on things. And what you're saying is right. There are some people who are genuinely excited, waking up in the morning thinking about it, and you have to be very agile in order to do that. Yeah. In a bigger company, it is harder.

00:36:05:05 - 00:36:25:20
Ab
Sure. It also depends on who you are. I think it's this. It's people who are generally excited about experimenting with technology. It's not just that AI came along and turned some person who was just uninterested. To somebody who's a tinkerer all of a sudden, like, you already kind of should be of that mind.

00:36:25:22 - 00:36:26:19
Ibi
This is very true.

00:36:26:20 - 00:36:27:21
Ab
Yeah.

00:36:27:24 - 00:36:34:18
Ibi
This is very true. Yeah. The people who were playing the game before AI are now just playing a different game.

00:36:34:22 - 00:36:41:25
Ab
Yeah, yeah. It's the question is, do you want to play the game. In which game do you want to play. And yeah.

00:36:41:27 - 00:36:53:14
Ibi
So the question is do we want to play the game which came to want to play. So I guess what is the next play in your nomad journey.

00:36:53:16 - 00:36:56:24
Ab
What a segway.

00:36:56:26 - 00:37:02:04
Ab
This guy has killer Segways. Everyone says that.

00:37:02:07 - 00:37:07:00
Ab
The next play in the Nomad journey.

00:37:07:02 - 00:37:16:18
Ab
Is. So I mentioned before how there's just a few kind of.

00:37:16:20 - 00:37:22:01
Ab
Canon. Or really.

00:37:22:03 - 00:37:30:18
Ab
Exciting experiences that I've gotten to do in the last year and a half. Like some examples would be like.

00:37:30:20 - 00:37:35:16
Ab
Hiking the Inca Trail to Machu Picchu. That's something I was always interested in and got to do.

00:37:35:19 - 00:37:36:27
Ibi
Congrats.

00:37:37:00 - 00:37:58:14
Ab
Thank you. Yeah, not not cramping up and all. Not not getting injured during the hike or just losing my shit at the sight of Machu Picchu either. But that was very. That was awesome. Seeing an active volcano and hiking up to that was pretty nuts.

00:37:58:16 - 00:38:00:26
Ibi
Kind of mentioned which volcano?

00:38:00:28 - 00:38:16:20
Ab
Volcan in Guatemala. Yeah. Apparently it's it's active every single day. And it's Gary. Yeah. Drilling. Yeah. Exhilarating. Yeah.

00:38:16:22 - 00:38:25:27
Ab
I grew up scared of the water or. Yeah, I guess a little scared of the water, but wasn't ever a good swimmer, blah blah blah.

00:38:26:00 - 00:38:44:24
Ab
But, you know, a few months ago I learned how to scuba dive, got scuba certified, have gotten to go on a few dives since then. That's been pretty exciting. So there's a few more versions of this that I want to do in the near future, before I can maybe be ready for another experiment and get a lease and do that again.

00:38:44:25 - 00:39:09:21
Ab
So I think some of those would be a couple would be just for the pure exploration part of it. Like I'd love to go to the Galapagos Islands. Anything interesting about or anything related to exotic wildlife is interesting in fun to me, so I would like to go there now that I'm scuba certified, maybe that opens up another little world of exploration there.

00:39:09:24 - 00:39:35:18
Ab
Would love to go on some sort of a safari, whether it's in Kenya or South Africa or somewhere. And the. And then there's other things that are a little less about just pure adventure, but adventure of a different kind. So I do want to spend a month or so doing the Wolf program, if you probably heard about that.

00:39:35:20 - 00:40:10:08
Ab
What's the Wolf WWF Worldwide Organization or Worldwide Organization of Organic Farmers? I believe it's what it stands for, but it's a program. Basically. You can find farms, ranches, etc. and in exchange for your labor, you're getting a room and board and getting to experience just a very different way of life. And I would like to do that in a French or Spanish speaking country, so I can keep practicing those languages and kind of work my way towards close to fluency, I guess.

00:40:10:08 - 00:40:24:10
Ab
And secondly, it's interesting to me because if you're if you have a corporate job or a desk job, it's such a fundamentally different way of living that.

00:40:24:13 - 00:40:44:19
Ab
I enjoy the idea of it. And we'll see how it turns out. There seems to be a nice simplicity in and you might agree with this, because I see you chopping wood a lot around this chateau and starting fires and whatnot. There's something about doing things with your own hands, or making things with your own hands that's not just on the screen.

00:40:44:19 - 00:40:49:03
Ab
So anyway, want to do a month of hoofing, as they call it?

00:40:49:04 - 00:40:51:12
Ibi
Well, I think, yeah.

00:40:51:14 - 00:41:12:02
Ab
And I'm originally from India, so I want to spend extended time there. I grew up there for about 13 years before I moved here to the US, and I haven't been back since. So I kind of I have a desire to be a tourist in my own country, and I haven't seen a lot of parts of it. Wow.

00:41:12:04 - 00:41:16:22
Ab
So few of those things would be awesome if I get to do them pretty soon here.

00:41:16:24 - 00:41:28:06
Ibi
That sounds like a good plan if I haven't had one. Nothing bad to. Say man. I wish you really good luck. We're at time, so we call it that. That's great. Yeah, it was a pleasure.

00:41:28:08 - 00:41:28:28
Ab
Yeah. Likewise.